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Random Thoughts: The Senate and of course, voters

by: DocJess

Wed Sep 12, 2012 at 05:55:14 AM EDT


Astute observers may have noted that the DCW forecast column in Matt's post Monday night had some differences from my last Sunday with the Senators post. I'll explain that this coming Sunday, I apologize for not having my explanations up yesterday, but there was voter registration. My changes are based on conversations I had with delegates at the convention, and were truly eye-opening. Spoiler alert: I'll end up saying I was wrong about certain races.

One thing though: Mark Kirk. As you may know, Mark is an Illinois senator, a Republican, who hasn't been back to the chamber since he had a stroke in January. He's not up for re-election until 2014, and his position certainly counts towards who controls the Senate, but think about it: IF the Senate splits 50/50 or even 51/49 R/D, to undertake reconciliation votes, they need 51 votes. They can't get to 51 if Mark Kirk is too sick to show up for work. I believe we hold the Senate, but just saying. 

Tomorrow, the PA Supreme Court will consider Judge Simpson's outrageous 70-page decision relative to Voter ID in Pennsylvania. We're looking at our 9 point polling lead as actually being down several points due to the probability that Pennsylvania could be the Florida of 2012 with disenfranchisement and provisional ballots. So dedicated groups are out every day making sure people are registered, and that said registration matches their Voter IDs. 

I've spoken to some interesting voters recently. They come by the registration table, and they come up to me when I'm out and about wearing my voter registration tee shirt. One elderly woman was American by birth, but definitely of Eastern European extraction, as she grabbed my hand and held on tight. She told me she had a terrible problem, and asked if I could help. Turns out her problem is that she's been a registered Republican all her life, has never voted for anyone but a Republican, wants to vote for Obama, and doesn't know how to do that. "I don't like that Mitt. I like that Paul person less. I like our president." We have optical scan ballots here, so we talked a bit, I pried my hand away, and we practiced. Every vote counts! 

In the evenings, I've been taking my Vote Builder lists around and making sure everyone is registered in my neighborhood, checking IDs for matches, collecting forms, and doing just a little bit of outreach (that will be the second canvass for real). Do you want to walk YOUR neighborhood? It's incredibly effective when it's a neighbor at the door and not a stranger. You can go over to your local OFA office and ask them to cut you turf for your area. Don't think you have the time? Ask for 10 houses - that will take you about half an hour if you get into a conversation with someone. Once you see how easy it is, you can certainly go back with your sheets and ask for more. 

EVERY VOTE COUNTS this election, especially if you live in a swing state. But there's a second reason to canvass even if you live in a state where the outcome is already known: it's good practice to make phone calls into swing states, and tight Senate races next month. This is the year that it's grassroots that can win the races!

Elections are won one voter at a time.
Get yours today.

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50 or 51 for reconciliation, or any non-filibuster vots (0.00 / 0)
Jess, does the Senate require 51 votes to pass a bill, or just a majority of those voting. If a Majority, then if the split is 51/49 R/D, they can still pass things, as they would win votes 50/49 without Kirk.

Here's another interesting scenario. 50/50, with Romney President. Could Dems take control if Kirk can't vote? Even with Obama President, could Dems force a more favorable organizing resolution at 50-49? Would they?


is he really that sick? (0.00 / 0)
He might be too sick to work, but well enough that they can parade him in for important votes.  How bad exactly is his condition?

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He hasn't been in the chamber since the stroke (0.00 / 0)
He hasn't left Illinois, although I don't know whether he's in a facility or at home. Information on his exact condition is something I've been unable to find out. What I do know is that he hasn't voted a single time.  

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Matt (0.00 / 0)
To the best of my understanding, it's 50 Senate votes, plus the VP, or 51 Senate votes. I don't believe it changes if there is a vacancy or someone just doesn't vote.

I'm willing to be wrong, but I believe there is no provision in any of the legislation relating to reconciliation that makes allowances for a "missing" Senator. Also, they can only use reconciliation for those bills related to taxes, spending, or debt.

Still, I'd rather win the Senate with a margin!  


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Actually (0.00 / 0)
I just did some research. First, reconciliation just affects closure rules, not the definition of 51 or majority.  When all is said and done, it's back to normal majority vote. And according to Senate rules:

All questions are to be decided on the Senate floor by simple majority vote unless a constitutional provision or Senate rule or precedent provides otherwise. A simple majority vote is defined as at least 50% plus one of the Senators voting, provided that a quorum is present.

So, if Obama wins, there's no issue. Dems in charge 51-49 or 50-49 either way.

But if Romney wins, it becomes a big deal. If the Senate splits 50-50, and Kirk can't show, the GOP won't be able to even win an organizing resolution - as there will be no tie for the VP to break. Dems will be up 50-49 on Organization, thereby staying in the Majority ,and reconciliation.

Now in the past, when the Senate was split 50-50, special rules were usually in place. If Kirk doesn't show up, Dems will be able to drive a very hard bargain. But on votes, all bets are off. If all Dems stick together, the GOP will need 51 votes to do anything via reconciliation.



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OK (0.00 / 0)
I like it -- but I'm still going to work towards making sure we hold the Senate....go figure...

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if kirk dies or is talked into resigning (0.00 / 0)
does the gov appoint a "living and Breathing Goper, or do they hold a special election and is there a chance that Dem might get his seat?

how soon we forget (0.00 / 0)
a little story about a corrupt Governor offering to sell a Senate appointment.

Anyway, in a vacancy in Illinois, the Governor (a Democrat) can appoint anyone. That person will serve until a special election is held in an even numbered year. So unless Kirk resigned real soon, the appointee would serve until Nov 2014.


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