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What a Debate!

by: DocJess

Fri Oct 12, 2012 at 05:52:10 AM EDT


Where to start? Where?

First - kudos to Martha Raddatz for showing Jim Lehrer what the word "moderator" means. She was not perfect: her Catholicism question was personal and not governmental, as Lawrence O'Donnell pointed out. Luckily, there was a response pivot to abortion, which is governmental. All in all, though, she was terrific.

And then there was Joe Biden. Clear, smiling (not smirking) full of facts, data and gravitas. Nor was he afraid to call out Ryan and the Romney-Ryan ticket on their lies, falsehoods and bait-and-switch "facts". Ryan seemed ill at east, unable to respond quickly or factually on any foreign policy issue, and mischaracterizing  all of his numbers relative to unemployment, Social Security and Medicare. He did, though, point out that he and Mittens would basically outlaw abortion in most cases. Nice to have that clarified, again.

Who won? There were two big instapolls: CBS had it at 50-31, Biden. CNN had it 48-44 Ryan. CNN's number is relatively untrustworthy. Their sample group for the first presidential debate was all white Southerners over the age of 50, so we'll have to see what they admit to in their sample group for this debate. Basically, since Fox hated the outcome and blasted Raddatz (as did Drudge and the rest of their cabal), and the CNN pundits called it a tie, it looks like Biden was the clear winner.

Face it, Democrats are more realistic and honest: we knew Romney won on style last week. When their guy loses on style, substance and facts, they can't come close to admitting it. 

But hey, that's just one girl's opinion. What's yours? Feel free to use the comments to write about your favourite debate moment. 

DocJess :: What a Debate!

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What a Debate! | 11 comments
Where did the numbers in (0.00 / 0)
your comment come from when you said the " sample group for the first presidential debate was all white Southerners over the age of 50" come from? I searched for the info on that poll and could only find that it was a sample size of 380 some odd registered voters...  Thanks!

Eric


Ah! Thats what I was looking for! (0.00 / 0)
Very obviously biased that only southern white 50+ voters were polled! I think I'll try and find a similiar breakout for last night.

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Fun debate to watch (4.00 / 1)
On the post debate polls, I think I saw that the CBS poll was independent/undecideds, while the CNN were just likely voters, not independents. The debates usually do little to sway Party folks, they are more for the independents and undecideds.

As an independent, I can't see how anyone thought Ryan won, unless they were just put off by the smiling and laughing that Biden did. In my mind, that was in response to each time Ryan went down the path of a campaign lie that Biden had prepared for and was doing the, "I can't believe you were dumb enough to walk down that path" expression. Didn't get upset, just got giddy over the fact that he would get to slam Ryan for stupidity.


Agreed! (0.00 / 0)
In actuality, CNN's 'Insta-poll' was based on 384 "registered" voters... I'd love to be able to docuent that they were all white from southern states, as Jess mentioned. If THAT can be documented, we should shout it from the rooftops!

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Found this (0.00 / 0)
One-third of the respondents who participated in tonight's survey identified themselves as Republicans, with 31% identifying themselves as Democrats, and 34% identifying themselves as independents.

"That indicates that the sample of debate watchers is more Republican than an average of recent CNN polls of all Americans," adds Holland.

The CNN poll was conducted by ORC International, with 381 registered voters nationwide who watched the debate questioned by telephone. All interviews were conducted after the end of the debate.


http://politicalticker.blogs.c...


According to This Poll

A CNN/ORC International post-debate poll shows that 48% of likely voters think Paul Ryan won the vice-presidential debate, while 44% think Joe Biden won. SPECIAL NOTE OF CAUTION #1: This poll does not and cannot reflect the views of all Americans. It only represents the views of people who watched the debate. SPECIAL NOTE OF CAUTION #2: The sample of debate-watchers in this poll were 31% Democratic and 33% Republican. That indicates that the sample of debate watchers is about eight points more Republican than an average CNN poll of all Americans, so the respondents were more Republican than the general public.


http://www.cnn.com/POLITICS/po...

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Here's your CNN sample... they admit it favors R's (0.00 / 0)
http://www.cnn.com/POLITICS/po...
SPECIAL NOTE OF CAUTION #2: The sample of debate-watchers in this poll were 31% Democratic and 33% Republican. That indicates that the sample of debate watchers is about eight points more Republican than an average CNN poll of all Americans, so the respondents were more Republican than the general public.

I had seen that too, but my question (0.00 / 0)
to Jess was where did the comment come from when she said the " sample group for the first presidential debate was all white Southerners over the age of 50"?  (I assume she meat first "Vice" Presidential...)

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sometimes I imagine (0.00 / 0)
What things would be like if Uncle Joe had been President since 2008.


Thanks to Jess for the info (0.00 / 0)
on the CNN snap poll breakdown for the 1st Obama/Romney debate. Indeed, only white 50+ non-liberal southerners were questioned in that poll.

Interestingly, the crosstabs that you see in the Obama/Romney debate are not included in the "full results" of the Biden/Ryan Debate. Full results for those debates are here:

Obama/Romney- http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2...

Biden/Ryan- http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2...

With only 381 people polled, and the history of their samples, I highly doubt the accuracy of the results.


Eric (0.00 / 0)
I had seen that info in a number of places and it just made me laugh -- I work in a very locked-down computer environment and can only access DCW with my phone and only if I'm somewhere where 3G works, or I would have said.....

A couple years ago CNN got a new White House reporter (I don't remember her name). On her first day, the big story related to raising the debt ceiling. She asked a WH spokesman: "Why don't you guys just give in to the Republicans." Ever since, CNN has been in a hole. The first night of the convention, Erick Erickson, of Red State, who's now a CNN contributor, called the DNC convention "the vagina monologues" and for all the petitions, CNN has yet to even indicate they think there's something wrong with that. I haven't trusted them to be anything other than Fox light for a long time. Today, I heard on the radio coming home from work that CNN admitted they oversampled Republicans for last night's instapoll. Go figure.


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